I want to thank everyone that is asking for some home made products which I make to order. This side of things is a hobby for me as I am a creative person who loves to make things, and if our dogs benefit from them well thats great too. I put very little money on each product as you couldn't count my time in making them. With brexit sadly I now have to pay import taxes on all the making materials which has put on a lot more money. Sadly the truth is I could import from Asia products already made. But it would not feel quite the same, so I shall continue to make items but keep the costs down as much as I can do.
I shall have available from now on:
Anti pull leads.
Plus now their is on order a selection of natural dog treats.
I will have a little shop as such once I'm more established, but when you collect puppies you will be able to browse items and buy on collection.
I hope to add dog beds and other items over the course of 2022.
Many thanks for all your enquiries, please remember I shall have some lovely items for sale.
When you enquire for a puppy, please note read this website first. It has such a lot of information contained with in. It should answer most of your questions.
Please note when we breed we reserve the right as the breeder of the puppies to keep what ever puppy we want. Be it dog or bitch. You can not send me emails of your demands wanting the pick of the litter. We always breed for ourselves and continuance of our hobby which is showing and breeding pedigree dogs. Do not assume you are the only enquiry we have as our litters are booked up in advance and we take each person down, giving them the same respect as each other. No one person is better than someone else.
A puppy is only reserved once a deposit is taken. Then you will get regular updates and videos as the pups grow up.
Show homes are given puppies which we feel meet the potential for a future show dog, but in no documentation from any show breeder will anyone guarantee one. As dogs change, the bite can alter, they may not be given adequate training and so on. The kennel club assured breeder scheme contract tells us to offer potential only. As no-one can predict how a dog will turn out in the end. We do our very best. If you want a dog to show we will give you as much information as we can do along your journey.
We do not sell breeding dogs, unless its is someone we know through the show world. I have had many friends i have given dogs too free of charge and they swap back. Its our way of helping each other. We can only do this with very trustworthy people of course. Or I have sold the puppy with out a breeding endorsement on. But these people have had 20-30 years experience in showing, and we know the welfare is their highest for puppies.
If you are new to dogs and showing, and breeding yet want the opportunity to breed then please note we will put an endorsement on the k c document but lift it once you have completed a long list of requirements, including every health tests we require.
We are not anti breeders, we are just anti puppy farmers, or people who have no idea what they are doing. We will help where ever we can.
We do not co own dogs or bitches with anyone, as it causes too much complications later on.
Okay I'm not a vet and nor do I profess to be a know it all. But I have sat through seminars on cancers and read an awful lot about various cancers in dogs. I would like to say im a logical kind of person who can reason something through to a good understanding of it.
What we have to remember about cancer is this. "If their was a cure for dog cancer, their would of been a cure for human cancer many years ago"!
A dear friend of mine was talking to me about cancer in dogs which has prompted this blog update.
We know cancers are caused in animals by passive smoking. So if your a smoker in the house, or you do it on the doorstep and your dogs out there with you, your dog can inhale smoke. This was told to me by a top specialist in the UK on dog cancer.
Farmland chemicals play a part in dog cancer, and vehicles emitting toxic fumes. Dogs walk lower to the ground and they are inhaling fumes from vehicles as vehicle fumes do not rise far into the sky.
Now a scientist told me this as he was studying global warming. They did an extensive study and they discovered that airplanes pump fumes direct into the atmosphere. But car fumes sank back down to earth and only went so high. Who do you believe as we are all let to believe its vehicles. Anyway thats what I have been told, take it or leave it.
Now what is not told to many of us is that everything we do with our dogs for the betterment or we think it is, can have a detrimental effect in other ways. Ie vaccines, flea wormers as they are after all either injected into the skin, or ingested or spot ons to the skin.
I suppose its like when we take tablets ourselves you can relate to the long list of side effects included in the package. Their are side effects to every medication a dog takes too. Just because its a dog doesn't mean it wont have side effects to some meds.
The biggest study every done on Vizsla was the Hoffman study. It concluded that the following cancers were triggered by Neutering a Vizsla too early, or at all.
Mast Cell Tumors
transitional cell carcinoma,
The only cancers which benefitted from early spaying were in fact mammary cancer which is a small percentage.
As far as we are all aware their are no UK studies done on cancers in dogs. Yes in other breeds, its now started as I was asked to submit a health survey for Pugs about a month ago for Nottingham university. I have not yet had MCT in a pug, but they are seeing huge increases in Pugs. Maybe if they spoke to America they could conclude study's quicker but it doesn't work like that. I did email the university and said I had never had it, and probably because I wouldn't spay or neuter my Pugs. They replied I was lucky that I had not had it in Pugs. But they didnt recognise the spay or neutering could be the issue. Maybe they will after their study.
The UK Weimaraner is pretty much well known that they all seem to have MCT during their lifetime. Their doesn't seem to be a magical breed line that is cancer free. The chances are if you do not neuter your dog or spay your bitch then you may not see MCT in its lifetime. Or if you do it could be late in life.
Cancers also effect dogs from the age of 6 more commonly as the are getting past the middle part of their lifetime. Just like us humans that cancers are more common the older we get.
I wish I could say all dogs pedigree or cross breed are healthy but they are not. Because they are living in the same century as we are, and humans a few years ago it was 1 in 4 humans would have cancer, now its something like 1 in 2. So that means you or I will have cancer in our lifetime. When I was at college we had all manner of cross breeds come in. The first thing we would do is an assessment of the coat, and skin. We had to mark on a diagram if we felt any lump, bump or mass. So we didn't cut into it with blades. Many Cross breeds were full of lumps under the coat, whats strange also is many owners didn't even know, as the hair covered them. I remember a West highland terrier come to me, and he was so lethargic. I could see a large lump in his front lymph area, and then I felt under the back of jaw line and it was swollen. I rang the owner and said "Your dog is very ill and needs a vet"! NO its not said the owner, and I said Im sorry but the dog is standing here with his head down and very depressed. I can not say what I think this is as I can not diagnose anything but your dog needs a vet today. Owner was not happy, picked up his dog and took to vet. He had lymphoma and it was obvious to me. It can come on so quickly that people miss it. Six weeks previously when the dog came he was fine. He rang me later in the day very apologetic as he didn't believe me, the dog had tests done, and with in two weeks the diagnosis of lymphoma was given from samples taken. The dog sadly died with in 4 weeks of me seeing him.
We shouldn't lay blame at anyones feet as their is a huge huge lot of reasons why cancers occur. I wont blame my mother if I get Cancer, and she wouldn't blame her mother if she got cancer.
Their are NO DNA MARKERS for cancer. Maybe one day in the very long long future their will be. But until that time we have to do what we can for the betterment of our own dogs.
If like humans is 1 in 2 that will get cancer then indeed their is not a lot people can do, as its not just UK this is a world wide issues in all dog breeds.
Their is chemo for dogs which is given, but it generally doesn't give a cure, it may delay the inevitable and the choice is yours. Some people will do it regardless, and others just let their animals live out their life with out giving drugs. What ever you choose is your personal choice.
As for cancers, they are here to stay sadly. If a dog has cancer it should not be bred from just like no ill dog should be bred from. We should continue to breed through the healthiest specimens and good natured dogs. We should not breed sick dog to sick dog. That would be cruelty. If you have a dog and you want to breed it their are relevant health tests for every breed. But their will not be a cancer test for many years to come.
To all my puppy people present and past the password to the website has changed today on the 23rd February 2021. Contact me by whats app if you want access and I will pass you the new password over. ONLY silvestre owners however
I am being sent texts and emails from many different people. Some that have never had a dog from us. Others who have done who have moved away from their puppy diet to another type of food and then not happy.
The truth with diet is “You are what you eat”! If you want a totally healthy adult dog it must be given a diet which suits it, which is raw food. Raw fed dogs you can spot a mile off as they are very healthy, coats shine, eyes are bright, no dandruff and skin is supple. Dogs also hold their weight well. They grow slower than kibble fed dogs.
Kibble fed dogs means dried feeding. It maybe nice and easy to scoop a cup of food and throw in the bowl and walk off, and the dog may well eat it. But their comes a point after feeding for so many weeks, months or year where you suddenly notice your dog is not looking as healthy as it should be. I am asked on a daily basis through social media, what food do you give your dogs they look in such fabulous condition. Do you use some particular grooming product. The answer is always its the diet that we give.
Because we appreciate not everyone wants to feed rawfood, we tell everyone if you are going to feed dried then you should find foods which have the highest proteins in the food. You want to see 70% plus meats in the food. Not meat meal. Meat meal is usually parts of the animal ground up which is poor quality proteins. So if you go and choose a poor dried food then your dogs condition will suddenly deteriorate. Sadly the better foods come with a high price tag, but if you want a healthier dog you will have to pay for it.
We advocate raw just purely because our dogs are so healthy, and rarely see the vets. We dont have allergies, we dont have auto immune and we have fit and healthy dogs. The more natural a dog is reared and continued you wont see the vet as often. Because everything we seem to do for the benefit of the dog can cause problems. Wormers and flea treatment can cause fits in any breed, So the over use of these products is putting the dogs at risk each time. A holistic vet once said to me, a healthy raw fed dog wont have parasites, as parasites like hosts who are not healthy. I can not even remember the last time we had a flea.
I also must say nature diet is a food which seems to suit dogs digestion well and its a better quality than some other dried foods. Nature diet is meat in a carton which does not have to be frozen. Its like the best of tinned meat if you like. Although tinned meat would have 6-11% protein only. Nature diet has up to 90% if you buy their purely range. Can cause a bit of stinky wind in some dogs, but dogs love it and they seem to do well on it.
If your dog is thin what should you do? First look at food and what’s in the food. Then if your feeding high proteins your simply not feeding enough food. If a vet tells you the average Vizsla is 17 kilos then think again. Some Vizsla are larger, have more bone to their body. Remember you should not see a rib. So if you can see ribs your dogs too thin. So use common sense and increase firstly half the daily amount again. If it is still not gaining weight, double the food amount. Split meals into little and often. Some young dogs are so active they will burn off their daily calories quickly. Hence why needing more food. A lot of it is common sense.
So our mottos are Raw is best, but if you cant do raw then make sure your food make is higher quality. Poor cereal diets maybe cheaper but the dog will get hardly any goodness from it. We all have the right to feed our dogs what ever we like. But what ever type of food you want the best money can buy,
I’m writing this in the hope it helps to explain in full about growth of dogs and sizes.
When you breed pedigree dogs their is no way any breeder can predict growth, but with line breeding you get an indication of size, colour, head shape etc as similar ancestors were in the pedigree. When you out cross two pedigree dogs (Although they will all go back to the same dogs initially), you can get huge variances in size, colour, height, head shapes.
So why cant a breeder predict sizes and heights? Lets look at it from an easy way. If you have a human child, it will have genetic material from both parents. But we can never predict the actual height of our kids. Some boys tower over their mother and father by a lot, and others can be smaller. I know myself that with in our family we have smaller and taller. Weights at birth is also no prediction on size later on. Some puppies get bullied out from eating as their is another thats far more greedy and dominates the milk bar or food bowl and its not until they get away from the siblings that you can actually see it growing well and catching up. Ill always remember a small Weimaraner we had, and I was wondering if he was growing right, but by 8 weeks he was doing well, but always smaller. I saw this dog at a year and fell over! He had become the largest, heaviest dog in the whole litter. So why if we cant predict humans should we be expected to predict dogs. We can not, and sometimes a puppy will look more like its grandmother.
Ill always remember Joshua’s izzy who didnt look like either of her parents, and I went around my friends for a meal, and on her wall was a photograph and I said OMG THATS Joshua’s dog. It was in fact the great great grandmother of his dog. We looked at the pedigree and marvelled.
Breeders do their very best to produce a dog thats to the breed standard, but once dogs have left everything can change. Diet is one of them. If you change your dog to dried food, we can see instantly their is a difference in coat and growth. Over exercise can cause problems in growth also.
Over the years many people like to meet up with siblings. This doesnt always end well as a lot of people start to compare their dogs with each other. Instead of accepting your dog for what it is, slightly smaller or larger, or wider or thinner, or different shades. Some start to worry about the dog they have. I see it in all breeds of dogs. Do not worry as dogs all meet their adult size between 18 months to 3 and some mature slowly and others mature quickly. Ive got at the moment in one litter, one worrying their dogs too big too quick, another dog is growing steady and smaller. Both of your dogs are perfect. Love them for the wonderful characters they are.
When we sell puppies we only know so much about someone. We can not delve into their private lives too much, we hope we have chosen the right homes. But if you do decide to meet up with siblings, remember ladies just because someone’s brought a dog off us doesnt mean we know what this person is like one hundred percent. Advice is always tell someone else that you are meeting someone. The location, the name and number of the person you are meeting up. Ideally couples meet up rather than single. Meet in an area which is not remote for a start until you get to know someone. Think safety.! Do not start sending photos of your dogs with children. Think carefully what you send. I have had online stalkers, and all sorts wanting dogs. We have to learn how to be safe, and just because someone owns a dog doesn't mean the breeder knows all their is to know about someone.
Please note this website may vanish over next few days. It does not mean we have vanished, just the website. Basically what’s happened is they have taken money to pay for hosting of the site in November and now are trying to take again. They were paid last November. So I need to get in contact but its difficult as this company is in California, and do not reply to my emails. So bear with us.
Izzy has had her puppies. Bear with us as we contact everyone next week.
Photos of our puppies and videos will be posted to the owners direct by whats app. It is so tempting to post Vizsla pups on instagram but I am resisting due to 4 lots of dogs stolen over last few days. Its becoming an increased problem, and I am afraid social media doesn't help.
The word COI is co efficiency. Co efficiency is a word to define how in bred a pedigree is. In bred means too close ancestors.
But their are a lot of breeders falsely using COI, and the buying public do not have a clue what it means. They look at numbers on a sheet and have no understanding what it means to the dog/pups. Its almost used as a sales pitch today from people who really do not understand the pedigree dog.
If you want a totally out crossed litter, then go and buy a cocker poo, or labradoodle, cavapoo etc. These are two seperate breeds put together, called F1. If you want a further out crossed puppy which is for example a cocker spaniel x poodle x terrier x Labrador, so 4 breeds put in which are totally vast genes put together. What do you get in looks ? A Heniz 57.
The pedigree dog comes from smaller gene pools, which creates type. In other words you know what colour, size, head shape, body shape will result from the mating. This is in fact what a pedigree dog is all about. Type. Same in cows, sheep, cats etc.
Ive tried my best to explain in the easiest way possible.
The Kennel club have done a coi calculator for the pedigree dog but their information is not accurate. I know myself I’ve got one dog on there which has a lower coi than what the kennel club have written down.
Firstly stop worrying about the coi, your buying a pedigree dog and will have similar ancestors with in a pedigree. Yes Ive got some which have low coi, but they will still have the same dogs appearing in the pedigree. What you do not want is what we call Inbreeding.
In breeding is where you see a father mated to a daughter. A mother mated to a son. Thats inbreeding. The genetics in such a close breeding could produce health problems, but I will say possibly. Because their still can be diverse genes in the animal and they have not come together and the puppies are still fit and healthy. Their is far more to genetics than we as dog breeders can even accept. My son in law was the one who actually told me dog breeders are mad after studying genetics.
We do not in breed, but we do line breed and we do out cross. By outcrossing it does not mean you will produce healthier puppies far from it. As those two separate pedigree’s could carry for generations serious health problems which have now come together and hey presto health problem.
When line breeding you will know what size dog you will get, colour, head shape, and possibly health problems which could arise if they have arose before. Its the good breeder which stops and thinks if something has bee produced, and then make notes on what happened, and how it can be avoided in the future.
The UK was a small island and had little diversity in genes in dogs years ago. With the pets passport scheme this did help breeders bring in new blood lines, but it is at great expense and not everyone could afford to do so. Then you have some that import every dog in but by doing so they can create more health problems. So it has a to be done wisely.
It has become obvious in the last six months that many breeders are cutting corners on animal welfare. No-one who buys a puppy really knows what you are allowed to do when breeding dogs.
A female dog can have 1-4 litters in her lifetime.
A female dog should have a gap of 12 months between litters.
Depending on breed their is an age where you are allowed to breed from. The Pug is 18 months or the 3rd season. A Vizsla is the age of 2. A bracco is the age of 2. The Weimaraner is the age of 2. The French bulldog Ive not seen a guideline but I do believe nearer the age of 2.
Their is an age limit also. The Kennel club will not register a litter at 8 years of age. But for my own dogs I would say 7 would be the maximum age, but this is our choice. In many cases retired totally at 6!!
In the UK our breeding rules are very different to Europe or other countries.
Who determines the rules? Defra, Kennel club, and breed clubs get a say in it too.
To have a license and stars you must not breed more than 4 litters. But if you do not go for stars then you can let your dog have a 6th litter under our council. But we do not advise it. The Kennel club will not register a 5th litter from a bitch, this is why you will see unregistered puppies available, or in fact they bred it every season so no papers.
By law dogs can be bred from 18 months, which conflicts with breed clubs of HPR breeds.
So why are bitches not bred every season? Condition is the answer. A bitch doesn't regain her pre-pregnancy body. She will be stripped from calcium from her body and other nutrients which she may not regain. If she is bred young this can cause a bitch to not create milk for her puppies, or cause HD as she grows up. Or other bone problems. Ladies just imagine being pregnant the whole of your life, it wouldn't be fun would it. So this is why the rules come in to help a dog recover between litters. To help the bitch regain strength. A bitch that is weakened will gradually produce poor puppies. Poor puppies means sick puppies, or puppies that will go on to have immune issues. Which in turns means big bills for you.
If you purchase from these breeders to satisfy your own needs, this practise will continue. So lets think for one moment. We could in a heart beat eradicate bad breeding practises if we had patience. If we could just wait a few more months until the right litter came up. Im not talking about our litters, as their are plenty of excellent Vizsla breeders in the UK. Im talking of animal welfare.
Can you be one of those people that care for dogs enough to say NO and walk away ?
Mrs Rachel Savage